tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post1205782789206005006..comments2024-01-28T23:11:08.378+01:00Comments on The Gents' 'Pulsynetic' Waiting Train Electric Turret Clock Movement.: The Pulsynetic C69 programmable impulse timer. (Bell Ringer)Chris.Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-21492311235860144922021-11-19T13:48:32.319+01:002021-11-19T13:48:32.319+01:00Hi and thanks.
The mercury switches in the progra...Hi and thanks.<br /><br />The mercury switches in the programmers are timing devices.<br />Otherwise the bells would ring for far too long.<br />They are not "normal" mercury tilt switches.<br />Which makes finding a replacement even more difficult. <br /><br />Your best chance is to ask on one of the online, electric clock forums.<br />It is just possible somebody has a spare switch. <br /><br />Good luck<br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-87542957839593941852021-11-18T19:34:42.798+01:002021-11-18T19:34:42.798+01:00Thanks for very valuable knowledge shared. I have ...Thanks for very valuable knowledge shared. I have a set of master slaves and bell ringer. I found somebody has removed the mercury switch and weekend switch. For weekend switch may able to remake but the mercury swich and holder block it would be difficult to find. Is there any place for obtaining spare mercury switch and holder?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131161460781411935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-85477885212334122020-12-23T19:10:51.218+01:002020-12-23T19:10:51.218+01:00Peter,
No trouble at all. Honestly. I wish more p...Peter,<br /><br />No trouble at all. Honestly. I wish more people would show an interest in our hobby. Had my bell-ringer been more accessible I could have captured some video for YouTube. That would have been riveting stuff to watch. 😉<br /><br />Be safe! <br /><br />Chris <br /><br />Chris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-42418219253206403662020-12-23T17:21:47.018+01:002020-12-23T17:21:47.018+01:00Chris - a picture tells a thousand words - my enga...Chris - a picture tells a thousand words - my engagement with the pin is about 20% of yours - I need to (gently) bend the whole armature towards the clock wheel to get the 100% engagement you do! <br /><br />Thanks for the time and sorry I caused so much hassle for you!puffernutterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07310893023022031104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-85067459060918226132020-12-23T15:11:09.556+01:002020-12-23T15:11:09.556+01:00Hi Peter,
I wish I had been able to do a better j...Hi Peter,<br /><br />I wish I had been able to do a better job but my bell-ringer is badly lit.<br />It is also in a "busy" corner where access is very difficult.<br />I need a drone! ;-)<br /><br />Then blogger wouldn't let me have text beside the images. <br />It took hours to get where I am now. <br /><br />Are your pins too short? Does that explain the difficulty?<br />BTW: The mechanism isn't designed to minimise backlash.<br />Since it always travels in the same direction.<br /><br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-57309009426808125662020-12-23T12:53:25.719+01:002020-12-23T12:53:25.719+01:00Thanks. It looks as if it is dropping of the pin t...Thanks. It looks as if it is dropping of the pin too early. It apparently came from a factory in Doncaster and it has "Turd Head" in dymo tape on it :-) <br /><br />I may have to try and make a new actuator with a slightly wider end. There is certainly evidence of wear where it has dropped off the pin, so at the contact end, it may have worn as well.<br /><br />It is a very fine line to get the contacts to close at the right point. There is also a lot of backlash in the mechanism but that is taken up with the engagement on the pin. I don't see there being any harm on it staying "made" after the mercury switch has operated as long as it drops off before the contacts are made again!<br /><br />Sorry, I'm rambling, but just what I have observed this morning messing with it :-) puffernutterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07310893023022031104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-66242192533670770832020-12-22T19:35:06.595+01:002020-12-22T19:35:06.595+01:00Hi Peter,
I'll add a close-up image of the co...Hi Peter,<br /><br />I'll add a close-up image of the contacts here tomorrow.<br /><br />Be safe<br />Chris<br />Chris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-73787967184900631202020-12-22T19:22:26.923+01:002020-12-22T19:22:26.923+01:00Excellent information and my time is now set corre...Excellent information and my time is now set correctly. Thank you. However, my bell contacts on the outer ring are closed all the time, so I suspect that the contacts are bent, they also seem magnetic! Do you have a close up of the bell ringing contacts please?<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Peter puffernutterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07310893023022031104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-25889337658886754472019-09-28T08:25:43.605+02:002019-09-28T08:25:43.605+02:00Hi Randy,
Restoring an existing system might be r...Hi Randy,<br /><br />Restoring an existing system might be rather more difficult than you realise.<br /><br />There are so many settings required. Including matching power supplies to the number of dials and other pieces of equipment in the system. You can't just plug the system into the mains power. It could easily cause a fire!<br /><br />Here is A Basic Gents' Instructions Booklet as shown elsewhere on my blog here:<br /><br />https://waitingtrain.blogspot.com/2010/12/gents-instructions-booklet.html <br /><br />The link may not open without copying and pasting into your browser.<br /><br />The booklet was intended to be a simple guide to a new system installation done by professionals. It does not offer itemised details of settings. Most systems would have been maintained by specialists until technology moved on. <br /><br />There are electric clock forums online where repairs and restoration are discussed in great detail. These forums tend to be roughly split between European and US based equipment. Though not exclusively because British equipment was sold to the US and many other countries. And vice versa.<br /><br />You can contact me again if you need further, specific advice at christryke at gmail dot com. Pictures are useful to identify specific equipment. BTW: Every clock system needs a master clock to control everything else.<br /><br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-3833756715890423342019-09-17T17:50:09.086+02:002019-09-17T17:50:09.086+02:00Hi
I found one of these clocks in an old office ...Hi <br /><br />I found one of these clocks in an old office building and I would like to restore it, from the photos you have posed i think it still contains all of the parts excluding the bells. is there a reference Gide available for the service and maintenance of this clock? <br /><br />Thank you in advance for your assistance.<br /><br />Randy <br /><br />Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13697293810617606436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-18929859051030466842018-05-31T22:13:55.706+02:002018-05-31T22:13:55.706+02:00Hi Chris
Update, got power to it keeps good time....Hi Chris<br /><br />Update, got power to it keeps good time. As an output wired to a ornamental bonsai tree with led’s which light up when activated (wife did not want noise) going to re-varnish base and put into acrylic display case. Link to photo https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oygmAPbvJ_qWqINEvJaVI5QI2HDtW5ng<br /><br />Thanks for your help<br /><br />Cheers<br />KeithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258303466711132784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-33724539539163987982018-05-16T19:27:52.221+02:002018-05-16T19:27:52.221+02:00Hi Chris
Thanks for heads up,yes I got pins and t...Hi Chris<br /><br />Thanks for heads up,yes I got pins and they seem fine<br /><br />Cheers <br />KeithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258303466711132784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-35479440403939030942018-05-16T10:22:06.402+02:002018-05-16T10:22:06.402+02:00Hello, Keith,
Best of luck with your restoration....Hello, Keith,<br /><br />Best of luck with your restoration.<br /><br />Not sure if you had any pins supplied with your programmer.<br /><br />If you use standard, tapered clock pins do check they don't protrude at the rear of the large pinwheel. <br /><br />This will jam the mechanism and may cause damage.<br /><br />Regards<br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-81460383784360921742018-05-15T12:18:35.528+02:002018-05-15T12:18:35.528+02:00Hi Chris
Thanks for your input, I shall be lookin...Hi Chris<br /><br />Thanks for your input, I shall be looking for an old gents bell or servants bell to put on the end of it once I get it powered and working, will also need to make a case for it.<br />Shall let you know how it progresses.<br /><br />Cheers<br />KeithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258303466711132784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-49782859258384087302018-05-15T11:15:39.611+02:002018-05-15T11:15:39.611+02:00Hello Keith,
You have the mains driven model rath...Hello Keith,<br /><br />You have the mains driven model rather than a slave movement driven type. So you don't need a master clock to make yours work.<br /><br />The only need for a DC supply would be for using the programmer's contacts for switching something at intervals. LED lights? A timed buzzer to act as an alarm clock? A school [electric] bell?<br /><br />You'd need a motor driven bell *ringer* to actually strike a bell. There's a Gents one on eBay but its collection only. They are rather "lumpy" to send in the post. Though a courier service might handle it for you if you're not local to the seller.<br /><br />Regards<br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-54637494171306236632018-05-15T11:00:22.067+02:002018-05-15T11:00:22.067+02:00Hi Chris
Thanks for this I too have just found an...Hi Chris<br /><br />Thanks for this I too have just found an image with a second set of contacts mounted behind the day dial, which were activated by the inner row of holes on 24hr dial, I can only assume these activated a second operation such as turning a light on or similar. The 24 hour dial must have been a generic component which was used on different models of the timer I must have bought the cheaper model :-)<br />I am just in the process of getting this tested do you happen to know if the bell ringer requires a separate DC power supply?<br />Below is a link to the one I have bought<br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VKf8PXTYEk1ZAbOOpV5ovQVmoXtaVi0b/view?usp=sharing<br /><br />Thanks Chris<br />Regards<br />keithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258303466711132784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-7540523209172192262018-05-15T10:08:44.322+02:002018-05-15T10:08:44.322+02:00Hello again, Keith.
I just found an image online ...Hello again, Keith.<br /><br />I just found an image online of a double contact bell programmer. However, both contacts are on the same bracket. One internal the other external. Perhaps the contacts could be duplicated on both sides of the main frame to allow 4 different programs?<br /><br />https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/gent-pul-syn-etic-c69-programmer-288432502<br /><br />Regards<br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-14555976441097561862018-05-15T10:03:14.161+02:002018-05-15T10:03:14.161+02:00Hello, Keith,
I have always presumed the second r...Hello, Keith,<br /><br />I have always presumed the second row is for a second set of contacts. This would allow two sets of completely independent bell programs to run at minimum expense. Though both sets at the mercy of the bell silencing contacts on the day of the week cam.<br /><br />The main frame has an identical contact support bracket projecting on each side of the casting. One set of contacts would have to be external to the outer ring. The other internal so as to clear the other ring of actuating pins. <br /><br />Regards<br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-54804721028206927392018-05-15T08:32:58.091+02:002018-05-15T08:32:58.091+02:00Hi
In have just bought one of these can you tell ...Hi <br />In have just bought one of these can you tell me what the holes are for on the inside of the 24 hour clock, I know the outer holes activate the circut but for the life of me I do not know what the inner ring of holes are for..<br /><br />Regards<br />KeithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258303466711132784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-63467315170483447512013-06-25T20:02:21.977+02:002013-06-25T20:02:21.977+02:00Hi
I can be reached on:
chris.b (at) smilemail....Hi<br /><br />I can be reached on:<br /><br /> chris.b (at) smilemail.dk <br /><br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-70688645369593996302013-06-25T19:54:23.780+02:002013-06-25T19:54:23.780+02:00I have now counted them, and yes, there are only 6...I have now counted them, and yes, there are only 60 teeth on the ratchet wheel.<br /><br />I would be happy to share it on other forums - maybe we can exchange e-mail addresses and I could furnish you with pictures?<br /><br />NormanNormalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15563198602731388723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-31087176790551450892013-06-25T18:30:53.375+02:002013-06-25T18:30:53.375+02:00Hi Norman
Thanks for the kind words about my blog...Hi Norman<br /><br />Thanks for the kind words about my blog. I'm glad you found it useful.<br /><br />I haven't heard of a one minute impulse C69 until now. A one minute impulse would require a 60 tooth ratchet wheel for the slave movement to drive. Have you tried counting the teeth? <br /><br />The reason I ask is because a poorly adjusted slave mechanism might push two teeth forward instead of one. Though the high resistance coils would seem to suggest you do have a special. <br /><br />Your 1 minute C69 would be an interesting subject to bring up on one of the specialist electric clock forums. Are you a member of either? If you prefer not to post yourself I could ask on your behalf.<br /><br />ChrisChris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-90960930793719450862013-06-25T15:43:39.494+02:002013-06-25T15:43:39.494+02:00Hi,
Firstly thanks so much for your blog - I'...Hi,<br /><br />Firstly thanks so much for your blog - I've just started collecting these amazing machines and it is in no small amount to do with the information which you have provided on the internet.<br /><br />I have a C7 which I know how to get working, but I have some questions about my c69. It is the same as yours, but I believe that mine works off a 24v current (that's what someone has written inside the case) and the ohms on my electromagnet are much higher than yours. Is this something you have come across?<br /><br />Secondly, you state that the wheel is advanced by half minute impulses - yet if I manually depress my magnet it advances by minute impulses. I wonder if you have any knowledge why that might be?<br /><br />Thanks again for all the information that you have posted - I hope that you have seen the price these pieces are going for on e-bay - people are definitely aware of them and young people, like me, are rescuing them for the future.NormanNormalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15563198602731388723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-27563917720318473582010-12-14T10:47:58.229+01:002010-12-14T10:47:58.229+01:00Hi Donald
Thanks for pointing this out (about the...Hi Donald<br /><br />Thanks for pointing this out (about the pins). An oversight of mine which should have been mentioned and illustrated. <br /><br />I can hear my own C7 master clearly through the walls of the house. I suppose one could try improving the reset damping without altering the clock's originality. One can't softly suspend the clock case without the pendulum losing energy. <br /><br />Perhaps there are modern materials with very high impact damping and very low bounce. It probably just needs something better than the original thick felt. <br /><br />You should hear the racket a Waiting Train movement makes when the pendulum gets a push from the electromagnets! It makes a C7 sound fully domesticated. :-)Chris.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986753919505764942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3081812713339411328.post-26509663322438700362010-12-14T08:08:09.633+01:002010-12-14T08:08:09.633+01:00I have a C7 which has been exiled to the garage fo...I have a C7 which has been exiled to the garage for being far too noisy for a domestic environment. I can live with the Synchronome in the lounge but not the C7.<br /><br />To aid with mounting vertically, C7s had small brass pins set into the wood of the case, two on the edges, top and bottom, visible when the door is open and two on the left hand side of the case. These can be set to true vertical using a plumbline. They are often difficult to notice as the brass will have tarnished. Gents thought of everything.<br /><br />Dondonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559721815191528158noreply@blogger.com